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TIBETAN MASTIFFS COLORADO, TIBETAN MASTIFF PUPPY RESERVATIONS IN COLORADO
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IS A TIBETAN MASTIFF RIGHT FOR ME?
You may ask yourself, is a Tibetan mastiff right for me? This is a very unique breed and their are many plus and minuses to owning one. You should consider all their characteristics before deciding on bringing a Tibetan mastiff into your home. It is a 10-15 year commitment
IMPORTANT INFORMATION WHEN RESEACHING BREEDERS! Ask to see the dog's registration papers. Who owns the dog? For your own peace of mind I believe you want to be sure the person in possession of a dog; is the person who is on their registration certificate. Personally, I would prefer to know that the owner of a dog is taking care of the dog themselves. I think that shows that they care about their dogs and if it isn't the owner; you want to be sure the dog is not stolen or some other "pyramid" scheme is not going on with the dog.
When I say "show" breeders; I am speaking of the "American" Kennel Club breeders. In Europe people show their own dogs and so I am not speaking of European Clubs. I think they would be just as disgusted with the "American Kennel Club" as many people here in America are if they had the same system.
BE WARY OF BREEDERS BREEDING ONE YEAR OLD UNTESTED DOGS!
IT IS HIGHLY UNETHICAL and could be a sign of a puppy mill!
What is the purpose of breeding several breeds and multiple litters?
AND CERTAINLY DO NOT PAY $1800.00 - $6000.00 FOR A PUPPY BEFOR YOU RESEARCH THE PEDIGREES! SOME PEOPLE WILL POST A LOWER PRICE AND THEN ASK FOR MORE. BE VERY CAREFUL.
BE SURE TO ASK TO SEE THE PEDIGREE OF BOTH THE SIRE AND THE DAM. GRANDPARENTS SHOULD LIST THE KENNEL NAME OF BREEDER (as example only: KESANG CAMP MAXIMUS AND KESANG CAMP BELLA RUE) IF THE NAME OF THE DAM IN THIS INSTANCE DOES NOT LIST KESANG CAMP IN FRONT OF NAME; THIS IS VREY MISLEADING TO THE BUYER. THIS MEANS THE BREEDER CHANGED THE KENNEL NAME. WHY? THIS ALSO IS HIGHLY UNETHICAL IN MY OPINION AND VERY DECEPTIVE.
Some breeders are advertising their dogs on for $2000.00 + . The Tibetan Mastiff is no longer a rare breed based
on the 10+ pages of litters advertised on Puppyfind and other sites. With such a limited gene pool, most of these puppies
have similar pedigrees.
Some people have cautioned friends of mine not to reveal what you know about certain health issues because there is so much "money riding on the dogs" (i.e. AKC showing) Here are a few quotes taken from a person who has a lot of information about Tibetan Mastiffs. They asked people to share:
Quote: "So why would I even have any concern about the introduction of crossbred Chinese dogs into the Tibetan Mastiff gene pool? Simple answer: Deception. I really despise deception. And inaccuracy. I despise that, too. Breeders who crossbreed authentic Tibetan dogs with standardized breeds such as Neapolitan Mastiff, Spanish Mastiff, Chow, Newfoundland, Shar Pei – and then sell the descendants as “Tibetan Mastiffs – are deceiving their buyers. They are lying. And the other thing they are doing is corrupting the pedigree histories of all future descendants of these dogs. Everyone knows that plenty of that has gone on *within* the TM gene pool: Breeders putting the wrong names onto the registrations of pups they produce, either inadvertently because they have multiple litters on the ground at the same time and don?t practice good kennel management. Or intentionally because pups registered as by “Champion XXX” (who is sterile) are likely to sell better than pups by his brother who is the actual sire. " and " I'm afraid that most registries are too greedy to look carefully at the validity of the pedigrees being submitted to them. Each one they reject = a financal loss to them...." Unquote.
I have seen the AKC register litters without the breeder's permission and the changing of names to bring them back into the AKC. I believe this actually encourages| enables AKC registered dog's pedigrees to be anything but accurate. Remember, follow the money. I believe the pedigree on an AKC registration is questionable at best considering the "money riding" riding on a show dog. Based on these experiences and in the words of the so-called "TM experts" you do not know if you are getting a purebred TM or even if the pedigree is correct. If anybody with a Tibetan Mastiff questions it's purity or pedigree I suggest spending under a hundred dollars Here to test what breed it is and have it's DNA put on file with the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals.
I would ask myself if somebody is willing to register a litter without permission or rename a dog in order to register the dog in another registry: what else are they willing to do in terms of breeding a dog with health or other issues because of the "MONEY RIDING" on the dog? Small time breeders with no interest in sinking lots of money in a "meaningless championships" do not have as much to lose. I have found them to be far more interested in their dogs rather than "status". FOLLOW THE MONEY (see below) If there are decent show breeders; I also believe based on my persoanl experiences that people who breed dogs for "a living" are not people I would ever buy dogs from again. It's all about the money to them. Breeding several litters and several breeds is a sign of a corporate puppy mill based on my experience. I do not agree with it at all. There is no way to properly care for or more importantly with a Tibetan Mastiff, socialize them if you have so many puppies. I have yet to meet them because they have all stuck together to attack "little guys" with good dogs who are cutting into their business I'm guessing.
WHAT IS A SNOW LION TIBETAN MASTIFF? BASICALLY IT IS A COLOR AND NOTHING MORE. KESANG CAMPS STRAY GENIE IS PICTURED BELOW. SHE IS NOT A SNOW LION. HER PARENTS ARE KESANG CAMPS SENGI X KESANG CAMPS NUBIA. NUBIA'S FULL SISTER IS KESANG CAMPS VIKA; NONE OF WHICH ARE CONSIDERED SNOW LION. Buyer Beware! Some people will advertise their dogs as "snow lions" just to charge a lot of money.
Personally, I have found that show status really does not mean anything except that the breeder spent a ton of money to buy a championship; thus passing the costs onto the consumer for show fees and handler fees. I have also formed the opinion that showing really isn't about the "better dog". It all boils down to doing your research. It is up to you to see health results, research temperaments, guarantees, breeder support, etc. and then base your decision on what your personal tastes are and not on what I consider "marketing". If you like the dog; buy it..
Recently AKC has registered dogs without the owners permission; proving that dogs can literally be stolen and AKC will register them. AKC has also recently registered dogs to breeders that they themselves have suspended. Talk about a corrupt organization! I would bet that many of the dogs registered do not have the real parents listed on their registration. AKC doesn't check anything, no DNA, no signatures of owners. You have no idea what the pedigree of the dog you are buying is real. I have seen this first hand. Breeders can artificially inseminate a female with a stolen dog's sperm and register it as another dog. Believe it!
AKC SHOW WORLD A SCAM? I THINK SO. FOLLOW THE MONEY! AKC is a JOKE. I QUESTION MANY OF THE PEDIGREES AND I BET MOST OF THEM ARE NOT ACCURATE AT ALL. I WONDER WHAT DNA TESTING WOULD REVEAL. PERHAPS THAT IS WHY THEY DO NOT REQUIRE DNA ON ALL PARENTS OF LITTERS. IT WOULD TAKE A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKETS.
MAKING THEIR OWN MAJORS - "DEEP POCKETS" AND THE SHOW WORLD - THE SHOW WORLD ILLUSION. I'm thinking Westminster is just about the money?
When a breeder brings enough of their own dogs to a show where they know there is no competition to make their own major and get a championship for their dog. SCAM! DON'T BELIEVE THEIR MARKETING TOOLS! FOLLOW THE AKC MONEY TRAIL.
GETTING THE DOGS IN FRONT OF JUDGES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY - "CAMPAIGNERS" (GREAT ARTICLE EXPLAINS ALL ABOUT "FOLLOWING THE SHOW WORLD MONEY TRAIL!)
This is when a dog goes for months on end to shows all over the country. Doesn't matter if there is any competition because the purpose is for judges all over the country to "get an eye" on the dog and it's "well connected" handler. That way, when Eukanuba or Westminster comes up; the judges will recognize the handler and most likely that dog will win. It's all about following the money!ARE YOU GETTING A BETTER DOG? BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES THE ANSWER IT NO!
Quote from article referenced above:
Quote: "We asked Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of the Humane Society of the United States: "If I'm looking to buy a dog and I see it has been AKC-inspected, AKC-registered, does that mean I'm getting a good dog?"
"Absolutely not. It really is just a piece of paper without any value for dog welfare," Pacelle told us." UNQUOTE
BEWARE OF AKC BREEDERS/JUDGES - CORPORATE PUPPY MILLS?
PEDIGREE FRAUD – AKC STUD BOOK? and the list goes on and on.
TIBETAN MASTIFF CLUBS - ARE THEY REALLY ABOUT THE BREED?
I have noticed that the several clubs and groups formed to promote "standards" for the Tibetan Mastiff are very selective of who they admit. Someone I know recently tried to join a newly formed club called the TIBETAN MASTIFFS CULB OF AMERICA? and the "public group" changed to "closed" once the request to join was sent. Groups that "supposedly" want to "educate" new people will block people that do not go along with them for no apparent reason. This is also true of a TM rare breed club. From what I understand they require two sponsors that are members of the club to join. This is so much like high school and in my opinion just an "exclusive" club that will not allow anybody in the club unless they agree with them. All these experiences with the AKC and it's members remind me of Washington; full of corruption, exclusivity, and hand greasing!. It is never about what the club or organization is about, never about the betterment of what it is they represent; rather, only about a certain group of people getting ahead while destroying all their competition and people who get in their way. It never matters what they say, or do to others; as long as they are in "control". If you have to "squash" somebody to get ahead, what do you have in the first place? Yes, they gather all their members and set out to tell lies about others in order to "knock out" the competition, keep the prices up, and retain control. It's no different than segregation years ago when you had country clubs who only "allowed" certain groups admission. Sad but it is alive in the Tibetan Mastiff community today and it is all about money and control based on what I have experienced. While I was helping watch puppies for a breeder's family who tragically died; most of these people had gotten his breeding stock and did not care what happened to the pups. While they have been busy breeding away, I have sat back and watched the ugliness. I have learned that you cannot trust high volume breeders because they are more concerned with sales and status. You learn they "put on a very good act". I just wish I had the means and the knowledge because I would have done things so much differently. The liberals in charge of these clubs preach "tolerance" when in reality; they are the most "discriminatory" of all!. Again, I must reiterate that people these people are all about "control". When you have experienced their lies, and nasty behavior, like I have; it is crystal clear that they are not about the welfare of the dogs! So you can believe whatever you want but actions speak far more than words to me and they have all "revealed" their "true colors" and intentions to me.
As the saying goes "those in glass houses should not throw stones". The funny thing is these show people are so bent on "getting' non-show breeders; they will stoop to the lowest of means to attack them. Some of the lies they spread about non-show breeders are so ridiculous I wonder how they can take the people who make them up serious. I have met a few "nut jobs" and the most amazing thing is that the people who are supposed to be professionals actually believe them. Sight unseen. Oh well, I guess they can relate to one another and discuss meds and dogs. :) What does this say about the AKC and it's show breeders in my mind? Not much based on my direct experiences. Not much at all. Don't be taken by their marketing tools. A AKC "champion" is not a better dog,in my opinion, it is only a dog with a very wealthy owner and a well known handler based on my experiences. Just look at the dog and you will see. BUYER BEWARE!
"C"lub IS FOR "CONTROL!" SHOULD YOU GO TO A LONG TIME BREEDER?
Based on my experiences with the longest standing AKC show breeders/judges; longevity is no different in dog breedings as it is in Washington. Breeders who have made their living in the AKC show ring for years and years have learned "all the ropes" and anybody who threatens their "dog business" is seen as a threat. Back to the top of this page: are you getting a better dog from an AKC breeder? Based on what I have experienced "absolutely not"! AKC makes it's money off these dogs and anybody they are just as bad as the breeders they give their "so-called breeder of merit status". Breeder of merit? hmm? Or is it based on the breeder who can drum up more registrations, etc. I know my my experience co-owning a dog here bred by a long time California breeder / judge was the biggest mistake I ever made! And now they are trying to form clubs to control other clubs. The whole purpose to me of them doing that is to trash any non-show small time breeder whom they feel is threatening their dog selling "livelihood".
RENT 'BEST IN SHOW"; IT REALLY DOES PORTRAY THE MOST RIDICULOUS CHARACTERISTICS OF "AKC" SHOW PEOPLE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT DOES NOT SHOW THE NASTY EVIL DARK SIDE :(
I have asked AKC to remove my dogs from their registry to avoid fraudulent registrations, pedigrees, and their risk of being stolen. The AKC has refused so the only choice is to spay and neuter all my AKC registered dogs. THE AKC IS LIKE THE HOTEL CALIFORNIA - as described by this quote from a famous song: quote "YOU CAN CHECK OUT ANY TIME YOU WANT BUT YOU CAN NEVER LEAVE" Unquote. I DON'T KNOW OF Anything MORE CORRUPT EXCEPT WASHINGTON D.C.!
AKC and their corporate puppy mills. Be very wary of AKC show breeders who require you to breed your puppy in exchange for one or two puppies back. This is what was expected of me with my formerly co-owned girl bred by a large volume breeder in CA. My worst experiences with Tibetan Mastiffs began early with the ownership of my girls from "High Volume" breeders in CA and one in Wi. Big and long time breeders / AKC judges will make deals like this with unsuspecting individuals to hide all the litters they are actually having each year. Many of these breeders have several breeds and breed 3,4. and 5 litters a year as their soul income. These are what I refer to as "AKC corporate puppy mills". Based on my personal experiences; I believe they are breeding for the show ring and not for the health and welfare of the breed. Ask them how many co-owned dogs they have? How many litters between them and their co-owners? How old are the dogs in their possession? How many dogs have died in their possession, at what ages and what was the cause of death? Ask to speak to their vet? (after all, they ask you a lot of questions and you deserve to know about them) How many adult dogs have they placed and do they know their status? How many litters have they produced over the years? Do they breed dogs for a living? Personally, again, based on my own experiences, I would never support an AKC show breeder.
I saw results from a dog that had failed it's health tests on OFA. Once the results were posted (after the dog was two years old) they were changed? How does this happen? According to the OFA, the x-rays are read by three professionals. If the positioning of a dog was not correct; it seems to me that one out of three "professionals" might have noticed it and sent them back to be redone??? Show breeders have so much money riding on their dogs; I believe anything is possible with enough money
TIBETAN MASTIFF PUPPIES COLORADO
We are located approximately 40 minutes southwest of Denver, Colorado in the foothills. We are a small family kennel and all of our dogs are part of our day to day family life. Each dog has their own personality and we understand that this breed is very intelligent and has a mind all it's own.
I LIKE OTHERS BELIEVE THAT AKC "CHAMPIONSHIPS" MEAN NOTHING. WITH THE RIGHT HANDLER AND ENOUGH MONEY ANY DOG CAN WIN. BE SUSPICIOUS OF THOSE WHO DO NOT SHOW THEIR OWN DOGS. THEY PROBABLY WOULD NOT WIN WITHOUT A POLITICALLY CONNECTED HANDLER. I WAS TOLD BY A HANDLER THAT AKC CAME UP WITH A GRAND CHAMPIONSHIP CATEGORY BASICALLY TO KEEP THE MONEY FLOWING AND IF YOU ARE SHOWING YOUR OWN CHAMPION AGAINST A "HANDLER'S DOG" YOU MOST LIKELY WILL NOT WIN. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY AND NOT THE DOG BASED ON WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD AND EXPERIENCED. Be wary of those show breeders who "market" their dogs". Use your eyes! They will go on about a dog's parents and pedigree; but just because a dog had a certain parent does not mean it will be anything like the dog. It all boils down to what you want, not what they try to "sell you". Don't let anybody try to tell you to look for something that really isn't there.
With so much "politics" in showing I cannot really think why anybody would want to enter their dog in a dog show? Based on what I have seen and experienced with all show people it is only about the owner's ego and the money they think it will bring them in the end; not the dog. Seriously, think about what a huge waste of time it is and the fact that Tibetan Mastiffs would much rather be a home, sitting on the couch or in the yard guarding their territory! Why make them do such frivolous activities that they do not even enjoy?
Breeders who are judges? Could politics play a huge part in the AKC? CHAMPIONSHIPSHIPS AND POLITICS. Based on my experiences I believe it is all about the money and those who make it happen. I have seen images that have been photo shopped of Tibetan Mastiffs where the original photo looks nothing like the "enhanced" one. Some show people will do anything to sell their dogs by means of deception. Don't fall for the deceptive "show crowd" who are only interested in "peddling their dogs" any way they can.
TIBETAN MASTIFFS ARE HIGHLY ADDICTIVE!
Most people cannot have just one :)
Click on link for information about
Tibetan Mastiffs and Tibetan Mastiff Puppies
FOR INFORMATION ON KESANG CAMP'S SILKBO OF HO, CONTACT HIS OWNER RON BOMBLISS
INFORMATION ON PUPPY MILLS
Cut and paste the following link for a good article about AKC breeder of merit and puppy mills:
Contacting the Tibetan Mastiff Rescue might be a good idea when researching breeders. They may be able to supply you with valuable information regarding lines and health issues that come into rescue.
Tibetan Mastiffs used to be a rare breed but with so many high producing AKC show breeders and newcomers; the market has become saturated. Look through the pedigrees and you will find that they are all very similar. All my experiences with AKC show breeders have been very bad. Many people think they can make a "quick buck" off the dogs.
Beware OF PEOPLE BREEDING FOR MONEY. I DO NOT THINK IT IS GOOD FOR THE DOGS. PUPPY MILLS AND THE AKC - CUT AND PASTE FOLLOWING:
You can find many puppies all over the INTERNET for a fraction of the price of these AKC show breeders with similar pedigrees. I think smaller kennels who only produce one breed are far better. I find that the small non AKC breeders are far more ethical and honest. As stated below these are my opinions based on my experiences.
DOG SHOWS TIDBITS:)
I WAS AT A DOG SHOW THE OTHER DAY AS A SPECTATOR AND I FIND IT VERY AMUSING HOW SOME BIG BREEDERS "PUMP THEMSELVES" UP. THEY WILL GET ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND REPORT "TO THE FOLLOWERS" HOW THEIR DOGS TOOK BEST OF SHOW, OR BEST OF WINNERS, ETC. WHEN IN REALITY THEY WERE THE ONLY DOG OR BITCH ENTERED IN THEIR CATEGORY. THEN THEY WILL BRING A COUPLE OF THEIR OWN DOGS AND GUESS WHAT? THEY WIN AGAINST THEIR OWN DOG. SILLY ISN'T IT? I THINK SO? DO NOT FALL FOR THE CHARADE OF THE AKC SO CALLED "CHAMPIONSHIP" FARCE. THEY ARE REALLY NOT THE BEST DOGS.
I am not an expert nor do I claim to be. I have had to learn from experience because it seems that many of the long time breeders do not want to "mentor" new people; they only want to take advantage of them. When you are on to their game and see the lies; they will trash you immediately to cover up for themselves. Like I said; I do not trust most of them here in the U.S. Only a few.
I think UKC is a much fairer venue. AKC show people will "poo poo" the idea. Perhaps it is because they have to actually show their own dogs. Wow, what a novel idea! My experience with the AKC has been horrible and most of the time I have been confronted by very snooty and condescending people.